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Originally posted by Be like the water, people.:

oo! good catch. i was thinking about Mermaid (naming houseplants), or even Fidelity, though i guess the "sounds" in the character's mind could just represent general confusion/white noise we all have kinda floatin' around in there. But the lines, "i hear in my mind all these voices/i hear in my mind all of these words..." while romantic, are still... a little disturbing. actually, it's strange to the point of making the desire to come into physical contact with a sculpture seem normal!

i hope someone contributes another idea. this song is so intriguing!

Me too! I love where this discussion is heading.

Your comments about Fidelity make me want to start a discussion of it. It sounds like your interpretation of the chorus differs ever-so-slightly from mine... I'll start that thread tomorrow if no one beats me to it because right now I should be getting ready for work.

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i suppose i'll get on that thread now, unless you had your heart set on creating it. Wink

EDIT: arrite, nevermind. i think someone more emotionally involved with this song should do those honors. I really don't have anything to say to kick things off. not much at all. i'll just join in the discussion once everyone else has started contributing. Any takers?

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Hey guyss. haha

Okay I have to be honest. I knew I was meaning to reply to this thread but I couldn't quite come up with the words to communicate the way I deciphered this song so I avoided it for a little while..*ahem* a week.

Okay so I'll try today. I always loved the literal meaning as well but I always thought she was using personification in the song in some way.

I always seem to think of famous people/glorified people in our world when I hear this song. The way everyone is so fascinated by them and want to give them so much attention (put them in a museum for everyone to see) but in reality, they usually just want to be free from all of that. I don't want to use any specific examples but I'm sure we all can come up with a few dozen.

the way the song describes how "the most special are the most lonely" reminded me of that a lot. And the part where its like

"Masterpieces serving maximum sentences

It's their own fault for being timeless

There's a price to pay, and a consequence"

Kind of like. it's there own fault for being talented and releasing that but there is a price to pay which is being trapped. They keep trying to run away from all of the fascination the world has with them but it's too late.

Basically, sometimes when everyone is so fascinated with someone, it can drive them crazy. They kind of feel like they are in a museum "They're just public mausoleums--"

But in reality, while everyone thinks that they are so special, they really are the most lonely and the one with the most problems.

I know im going to read this over and be like "thats not exactly what I meant"

but oh well. I tried haha. I also really like the literal meaning and almost never think of the metaphorical meaning but every once in a while, when I feel like it, I kind of think of it this way. especially after MJ died or something like that.

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Originally posted by tallchick:

but oh well. I tried haha. I also really like the literal meaning and almost never think of the metaphorical meaning but every once in a while, when I feel like it, I kind of think of it this way. especially after MJ died or something like that.

Yeah I thought of MJ the whole time I was reading your post! I really like what you're saying. Congratulations on successfully tying the song to a metaphorical meaning!

Not to sound like a jerk, but I'm curious as to where the description of the masterpieces as "the living dead" fits in. Maybe I'm just missing something obvious...

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Originally posted by tallchick:

I always seem to think of famous people/glorified people in our world when I hear this song. The way everyone is so fascinated by them and want to give them so much attention (put them in a museum for everyone to see) but in reality, they usually just want to be free from all of that.

EekerEeker !!!!!

Bravo! you're brilliant! brilliant, i tell you!

i love this take on it! it fits so well!

And, in keeping with your thoughts (or your representation of them through a self-proclaimed flawed post), perhaps the different types of art represent the different types of celebrities!

"the most special/most lonely" are the violins. In glass coffins, the only sounds they make is coughing because they've forgotten how to sing.

Musicians are kind of the cream of the crop, celebrity-wise. Actors would be first, but it'd be hard for Jennifer Aniston or Denzel Washington to create a strong Japanese following (language barriers). Easily the most idolized are the musicians, considering fanbase, reactions, and mass appeal of their work.

"glass coffins".. (basically reiterating what Tallchick said) In our efforts to take what we want from the musicians/violins, we've forced them into a place of easy, albeit superficial, access. The musicians are in the public eye. the violins are also on display. But you can't make them be accessible while still allowing them to do what you loved them for in the first place. If you force a musician to be a celebrity, you're usurping their ability to produce anything genuine. at least having it come from the same place as the music that made them famous. And you can't lock a violin in a case without first separating it from the one who plays it, and therefore gives it the meaning you're displaying it /for/.

"they keep coughing": Sad attempts at doing what they're "meant" to do. (easier application to a violin, because people are more complicated. But we're thinking of the people in terms of their musicianship (lol).)

"they've forgotten how to sing"

Self explanitory lol

THIS IS TOO LONG! so irritating...

oh, and idk about the other forms of art mentioned, but the violins were the main ones, and i like the sudden similarity between Musicbox and All the Rowboats (assuming Musicbox is about musicians and "The Industry". Should i start the Musicbox thread? or has it "been done"?)

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^ OMG yay i made sense!

i was so scared you guys were going to be like "whatt?" haha.

I totally see what you mean with the painting representing people perhaps

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"glass coffins".. (basically reiterating what Tallchick said) In our efforts to take what we want from the musicians/violins, we've forced them into a place of easy, albeit superficial, access. The musicians are in the public eye. the violins are also on display. But you can't make them be accessible while still allowing them to do what you loved them for in the first place. If you force a musician to be a celebrity, you're usurping their ability to produce anything genuine. at least having it come from the same place as the music that made them famous. And you can't lock a violin in a case without first separating it from the one who plays it, and therefore gives it the meaning you're displaying it /for/.

Wow, This interpretation adds on to what I just said great. Especially the part about the glass coffins.

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"they keep coughing": Sad attempts at doing what they're "meant" to do. (easier application to a violin, because people are more complicated. But we're thinking of the people in terms of their musicianship (lol).)

"they've forgotten how to sing"

wow I didn't even catch that. "they keep coughing" does reference to them sadly continuing to do what their meant to do even though they have lost the feeling.

I feel like everything kinda ties together now.

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